This coin is a slam-dunk Superb Gem BU+++ by the standards of certain Ebay sellers and mail order dealers. And MS67 by the criteria of "third world slabs", as Gene Henry used to call them.
I wouldn’t go THAT far but I’m happy with it as a MS62
This coin is a slam-dunk Superb Gem BU+++ by the standards of certain Ebay sellers and mail order dealers. And MS67 by the criteria of "third world slabs", as Gene Henry used to call them.
I wouldn’t go THAT far but I’m happy with it as a MS62
This coin is a slam-dunk Superb Gem BU+++ by the standards of certain Ebay sellers and mail order dealers. And MS67 by the criteria of "third world slabs", as Gene Henry used to call them.
I wouldn’t go THAT far but I’m happy with it as a MS62
Maybe net graded for the rub at 62?
I don’t think the coin is net graded at all. As I said above in an earlier post, I believe she’s accurately graded now as a MS62.
This coin is a slam-dunk Superb Gem BU+++ by the standards of certain Ebay sellers and mail order dealers. And MS67 by the criteria of "third world slabs", as Gene Henry used to call them.
I wouldn’t go THAT far but I’m happy with it as a MS62
Maybe net graded for the rub at 62?
How many Bust Halves do you own? LOLOL!
Zero. Just a thought, never pretended to know anything about early US coins, just a guess.
I maybe misremembering but isn’t there an option to submit for reconsideration and specify upgrade for plus only?
Yes. Lance does it and maybe can chime in on how often it works. @lkeigwin
58+ is a difficult grade to achieve in the capped bust half world. PCGS is very stingy. In the 12 years that PCGS has been awarding plus grades fewer than 200 bust halves have been graded 58+. About 3% of all AU58's graded.
I have had an "everyman" registry collection of AU58's for more than 10 years. I could use 13 more AU58+ for a perfect set. But I'll never get there. The eye appealing ones are scarce as hen's teeth. https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/composite/4641 (The Coastal Collection)
I guess ownership can add a point or 2. If you understand that a gold sticker is a 2 minimum 2 points higher and you admit that there is wear on all the high points then how do you come to the conclusion it is uncirculated. I have a feeling if I owned it and I were selling it, you would not be paying me ms62 dollars or calling it unc but that is just my opinion and therefore meaningless. What you should realize is that you own s a BEAUTIFUL AU58, be glad to be the fortunate owner of such an eye appealing piece, I would.
This coin is a slam-dunk Superb Gem BU+++ by the standards of certain Ebay sellers and mail order dealers. And MS67 by the criteria of "third world slabs", as Gene Henry used to call them.
I wouldn’t go THAT far but I’m happy with it as a MS62
I would. Have you seen the coins in "third world slabs"? Or "Superb Gem BU+++" Ebay coins? Over-grading is just as rampant today as it has always been.
This coin is a slam-dunk Superb Gem BU+++ by the standards of certain Ebay sellers and mail order dealers. And MS67 by the criteria of "third world slabs", as Gene Henry used to call them.
I wouldn’t go THAT far but I’m happy with it as a MS62
No one here would go that far.
@CACfan - Irrelevant and OT. Why would we care about what refuse sells on Ebay or how it's represented? We're at the website of a company whose entire customer base already knows this.
59 with a 64 look. @drddm's MS62 seems on the money.
You have some beautiful CBH’s and this one fits in well. So many of these coins in MS holders have some rub so I understand your thinking but I think a gold stickered AU 58 has to be a true uncirculated coin.
Bottom line is it is a very attractive, properly graded coin.
By the way, based on photos, I don’t see how it is a 62 other than by net grading. An MS62 has “numerous marks or hairlines.” Unless there are hairlines not apparent in the photos, this coin doesn’t fit that definition.
I find it curious that many collectors assume, based on experience with other series perhaps, that MS61 and MS62 graded bust halves must be blatantly flawed.
MS61 and 62 Morgans, for example, are often unappealing. With cuts, hits, bag marks and/or other distractions. But this just isn't the case with bust halves.
Certainly there are reasons why MS62 bust halves are not MS64. But the reasons are much more subtle. The great majority of low MS bust half dollars can be quite appealing, without distracting surface issues. TPG objections are nuanced. Traces of wear. Maybe AU58's that deserved a market-grade bump.
Here is a thread I started a couple of years ago on PCGS's forum. Some of you might be interested. Lance.
Lance It is certainly fair that you and drddm are bust half specialists that know far more about grading that series than I do. My opinion (not worth too much with bust halves but I have one anyway) is that if you are going to give a slider coin a bump across the AU/MS divide based on eye appeal, then it should go straight to 63 or 64. Otherwise, it should stay a 58 or perhaps a 58+. MS60-62, for most series and in general, are set aside for coins with detractions consistent with PCGS's definitions. More interesting and important than my opinion is what does CAC believe and how do they sticker coins such as drddm's in the OP? It stickered at AU58, but am not sure if it did or would at MS62.
I wasn’t planning on posting this image because of all the controversy that may arise, but I’m doing it because I want to point out what I believed all along about this coin, which was that I thought it was MS.
I also want to say that just like a specific grade on a holder can change from day to day, or even hour to hour, depending on the person or people looking at it, so can JA’s opinion (or the other graders at CAC) whether it deserves a sticker at a specific grade. It is what it is. I just wish I got a gold sticker when it was in a 58 holder, that’s all.
Finally, grading a coin, in my opinion, can NOT be made solely by pictures alone, no matter how good one thinks they are. There is a reason why we send in our coins to be looked at by graders when assigning a grade or to CAC when deciding if a coin deserves a sticker or not.
So whatever rub someone thinks they may have seen in my original images, you can’t really tell for sure unless you’re looking at the coin in a dark room and rotating it under a light.
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How many Bust Halves do you own? LOLOL!
I have had an "everyman" registry collection of AU58's for more than 10 years. I could use 13 more AU58+ for a perfect set. But I'll never get there. The eye appealing ones are scarce as hen's teeth.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/composite/4641 (The Coastal Collection)
Lance.
To me, a 62 is sort of DRT.
What you should realize is that you own s a BEAUTIFUL AU58, be glad to be the fortunate owner of such an eye appealing piece, I would.
Very many MS62-graded bust half dollars have traces of cabinet friction. Bust half enthusiasts (and the TPG's) often forgive it.
Lance.
Lance, that set is amazing!!
I would. Have you seen the coins in "third world slabs"? Or "Superb Gem BU+++" Ebay coins? Over-grading is just as rampant today as it has always been.
No one here would go that far.
@CACfan - Irrelevant and OT. Why would we care about what refuse sells on Ebay or how it's represented? We're at the website of a company whose entire customer base already knows this.
59 with a 64 look. @drddm's MS62 seems on the money.
Unless there are hairlines not apparent in the photos, this coin doesn’t fit that definition.
MS61 and 62 Morgans, for example, are often unappealing. With cuts, hits, bag marks and/or other distractions. But this just isn't the case with bust halves.
Certainly there are reasons why MS62 bust halves are not MS64. But the reasons are much more subtle. The great majority of low MS bust half dollars can be quite appealing, without distracting surface issues. TPG objections are nuanced. Traces of wear. Maybe AU58's that deserved a market-grade bump.
Here is a thread I started a couple of years ago on PCGS's forum. Some of you might be interested.
Lance.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1037533/all-the-same-grade-what-is-it-answer-revealed-in-1st-post/p1
It is certainly fair that you and drddm are bust half specialists that know far more about grading that series than I do. My opinion (not worth too much with bust halves but I have one anyway) is that if you are going to give a slider coin a bump across the AU/MS divide based on eye appeal, then it should go straight to 63 or 64. Otherwise, it should stay a 58 or perhaps a 58+. MS60-62, for most series and in general, are set aside for coins with detractions consistent with PCGS's definitions.
More interesting and important than my opinion is what does CAC believe and how do they sticker coins such as drddm's in the OP? It stickered at AU58, but am not sure if it did or would at MS62.