Help me refine my understanding

SilenceOfTheClams

This coin shows a haze on the high points of the devices. It is a very light tan color. It does not come off in acetone, but does in dip. Is this from storage in s paper product a long time ago, or something else?  Does it preclude a bean?  There is nice luster and nice color underneath. Thanks. 

MarkFeld

What coin are you asking about?

SilenceOfTheClams

Sorry, it was a late night…

ptolemyII

If that picture is after a Jewel-Luster dip, consider it an environmentally damaged train wreck. Likely from an envelope, too much of its damage has been damaged yet again to do much but speculate beyond that.

I will save @oreville the trouble of mentioning the Forum's totally unofficial fingernail hygiene maintenance policy.

SilenceOfTheClams

ptolemyII said:

If that picture is after a Jewel-Luster dip, consider it an environmentally damaged train wreck. Likely from an envelope, too much of its damage has been damaged yet again to do much but speculate beyond that.

I will save @oreville the trouble of mentioning the Forum's totally unofficial fingernail hygiene maintenance policy.

I had put down 4 yards of black mulch in the garden beds earlier in the day. That is as clean as they get until dye wears away. As indicated in the post, this will come off with dip, but not acetone.

This coin has only had an acetone soak. I am thinking envelope, or Raymond Wayte type holder? But does CAC consider it toning, or damage…

ptolemyII

Major edit June 3rd

Have you tried boiling water and/or an ultrasonic to loosen the imbedded particles?
No archeologist would do more than speculate about what's beneath that grime. Unfair question from the git-go

Will it CAC? Considering how little John Albanese knows about color, if you can actually get it into the right holder, then of course it's worth a try.

MarkFeld

ptolemyII said:

Am I understanding correctly that the coin was in the black mulch for less than 24 hours. If you know the time-frame, I think it a safe assumption you put it there. What did it look like before that?

If that's, as you insist, fully intact toning, albeit still obscured by imbedded particles from the black mulch, it's downright ugly in both pattern and color itself.... No bean for you!

Post the post-dip coin and the name of your mulch so its ingredients may be referenced.

I thought he was talking about his fingernails.

Bushmaster

Can't be sure from a photo (boy, is that line rote!), but looks to be at least some kind of plasticizer, possibly whatever the stuff is that gets on a coin after long term storage in a poly-bag. 30-40n yrs ago poly bags were widely thought to be ideal for storage but IIRC even PCGS put out a kind public service announcement, stating that submitting coins for grading in polybags (especially proofs) is not ideal when turn around times are lengthy.

That poly residue would come off with urea dips but not acetone...

ptolemyII

Black mulch .... composting strategies as a factor in coin colorations. "More things between Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophies" Good grief!!

WilliamJ

 

Pyrite

I had a friend who got a proof walker and dipped it halfway!
Not smart.
We were noobs.
That half never lost the dipline.

ptolemyII

Bushmaster said:

Can't be sure from a photo (boy, is that line rote!), but looks to be at least some kind of plasticizer, possibly whatever the stuff is that gets on a coin after long term storage in a poly-bag. 30-40n yrs ago poly bags were widely thought to be ideal for storage but IIRC even PCGS put out a kind public service announcement, stating that submitting coins for grading in polybags (especially proofs) is not ideal when turn around times are lengthy.

That poly residue would come off with urea dips but not acetone...

Doesn't necessarily change your supposition, but I'm remembering that issue as being about PVC (polyvinylchloride)-softened plastic flips rather that polyethylene bags.

CACfan

It is a lowly Washington quarter. Unless it is a 1932-D that grades at least MS65, who cares?

MarkFeld

CACfan said:

It is a lowly Washington quarter. Unless it is a 1932-D that grades at least MS65, who cares?

Apparently, the person who started the thread does. And since it’s likely a storage issue, that wouldn’t be the only coin affected and many other people would care, as well.

Vincent.Savage

CACfan said:

It is a lowly Washington quarter. Unless it is a 1932-D that grades at least MS65, who cares?

 I’d care even if it were a 1942 D !!!!

Personally I respect all collectors and all collections equally.  I enjoy seeing a youngster with a Warman’s book of National Park Quarters and would enjoy talking with them ( and in their excitement) as much as I would chatting with a collector with a complete book of Morgan Silver Dollars !!

 That applies to everything in life .   From the guy on a mini bike who rolls up to my R1250 GS Adventure , to a Private First Class or a 4 Star . 

ptolemyII

This is close to a "parking lot find" as has shown up around here since we opened.

SilenceOfTheClams

Since the question was about the condition and causes, not the coin, most correctly deduced that the coin, itself, wasn't the topic. Most.

Vincent.Savage

SilenceOfTheClams said:

Since the question was about the condition and causes, not the coin, most correctly deduced that the coin, itself, wasn't the topic. Most.

 

 I know you don’t mean me because I was talking to cacfan about his comment and not at all about your OP. 

SilenceOfTheClams

Vincent.Savage said:

SilenceOfTheClams said:

Since the question was about the condition and causes, not the coin, most correctly deduced that the coin, itself, wasn't the topic. Most.

 

 I know you don’t mean me because I was talking to cacfan about his comment and not at all about your OP. 

Nope, not you. No worries.