"And that right there is the problem. What you’re ( the industry ) doing is wrong . You’re ( the industry ) screwing over the collector .
You ( the industry ) should be happy that we want our coins in your stabs and should honestly access the coin . If the coin is a 64 and you see it is a 64 then you are obligated ( morally ) to cross it over . I knew my gut feelings were right . Steve , I’m going back to my original beliefs . I retract my former statement. lol 😂
Im sorry to say but there is some real dishonest lowlife s-bag stuff going on out there . I knew games were being played . My gut has never failed me . Ego should be taken out of the equation. The coin should be graded and if it’s correct , cross it. Being more critical because of someone else graded it before is ego . I was so much happier when I just had bags of raw coins and bullion.
Thank God for CACG or I’d sell all my graded stuff and get back to basics . I was far happier ."
Tough Love from the Atilla-the-Hun School of Numismatics:
IMHO, you are mistaken. What the TPGS's are doing is saving the sorry butt of the ignorant, lazy, too busy collector from their own greed, counterfeits, and crooks! Personally, I could care less about slabs or what anyone collects aside from myself. A TPGS owes you nothing except the best job they can do INORDER TO PROTECT THEIR REPUTATION AND BUSINESS. A TPGS makes the sole decision about what they will slab including varieties! Some TPGS go far beyond what others do with regard to what they provide for the fee.
Unfortunately, you took my "tongue-in-cheek" example (WIN!) for a coin not to cross as a common occurrence for a TPGS to make money.
I'm sure you'll get over it and continue to send your coins to whatever TPGS you chose. These days, that's a very smart decision.
Me : Hi Skipper
The points you brought up are nice . But that’s what we are paying you for. But we are also paying you to provide an honest service and if the coin is the grade , regardless if it’s a C coin or not needs to be crossed. Any excuse offered other than doing what you’re paid for is wrong .
I actually contacted Bill Cald….. the other day about picking up more rolls of raw and bullion . I’ll pop my head in when I’m over there . Even though we bump heads and disagree I’m sure we’d be best of friends in real life.
Mr. Savage,
I think this can be said of 99% of all the professionals working at the major TPGS's although over the years there have been some "bad apples."
"...unwavering honesty , integrity and character!"
You saying that with a straight face … 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🙄🙄☀️🙄🤡🤡
You can tell what a professional, teacher or coach thinks of their clients , students or players by the words they speak or write about them. “ Sorry butt of the ignorant , lazy etc “
You are paid to grade , crossover or what ever other service we want. That should be performed to the best of your ability . You shouldn’t have any opinions about the submitters you haven’t met . It speaks volumes about your character .
There is a real problem out there . I’ve received several messages and others are all feeling the same . I didn’t take your comment WIN in the wrong context . And it wasn’t tongue in cheek . Because it’s the truth . You do that a lot . Back peddling . The guys were right about you . You can have the last word if you like.
Interesting decision by NGC, and not really unexpected. NGC has mostly been about inclusion while PCGS has always been about exclusion.
I wish every one well and good fortune . There was an exception once . A mean businessman who treated everyone abusively. That’s the only one I can remember wishing harm . Now I have a 2nd one , PCGS! They have purposely gone out of their way to harm or damage the image of other TPGs. In doing so they have hurt many many collectors . This is just my opinion based on observations and personal dealings with PCGS . Notably their treatment of crossing over high end saints in NGC holders . It’s like they’re purposely trying to make them look bad . Anyone else feel this way ?
Hope CACG ends up making them look the way they made NGC look .
You are not alone in your frustration with the current TPG's and the crossover game. And that in a nutshell is the problem it is a game, but this is not just a problem with the P company. A number of years ago during the time when NGC had disallowed PCGS coins to be added to registry sets, I had a few PCGS coins that I wanted to add to my registry set. Not that many, only 12 coins, half of which were CAC beaned. So, I submitted those coins to NGC for crossover, not one single coin crossed, zilch. Now I did not expect every coin to cross, but not even one of the six CAC'd coins, really??
Lesson learned, I have not, nor will I ever play the crossover game again, the market grading scheme that both TPG's use is provides an unfair advantage to the "house". There have been a few threads here about who is going to cross all their coin into the new CACG holder, again I stand firm that after being burned on that occasion and on a few previous occasions, I am out of the crossover game.
All this grading hoopla says that all existing slabs will disappear from memory. Like nobody will have the slightest idea what a coin graded by XXX was/is like. Total TPG amnesia. Me, I don't see that.
It's always easy to blame someone else. It's much harder to look in the mirror. I've been searching for that perfect world my whole life and have yet to find it.
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You ( the industry ) should be happy that we want our coins in your stabs and should honestly access the coin . If the coin is a 64 and you see it is a 64 then you are obligated ( morally ) to cross it over . I knew my gut feelings were right . Steve , I’m going back to my original beliefs . I retract my former statement. lol 😂
Im sorry to say but there is some real dishonest lowlife s-bag stuff going on out there . I knew games were being played . My gut has never failed me . Ego should be taken out of the equation. The coin should be graded and if it’s correct , cross it. Being more critical because of someone else graded it before is ego . I was so much happier when I just had bags of raw coins and bullion.
Thank God for CACG or I’d sell all my graded stuff and get back to basics . I was far happier ."
Me : Hi Skipper
The points you brought up are nice . But that’s what we are paying you for. But we are also paying you to provide an honest service and if the coin is the grade , regardless if it’s a C coin or not needs to be crossed. Any excuse offered other than doing what you’re paid for is wrong .
Even though we bump heads and disagree I’m sure we’d be best of friends in real life.
I think this can be said of 99% of all the professionals working at the major TPGS's although over the years there have been some "bad apples."
"...unwavering honesty , integrity and character!"
You can tell what a professional, teacher or coach thinks of their clients , students or players by the words they speak or write about them. “ Sorry butt of the ignorant , lazy etc “
Hope CACG ends up making them look the way they made NGC look .
You are not alone in your frustration with the current TPG's and the crossover game. And that in a nutshell is the problem it is a game, but this is not just a problem with the P company. A number of years ago during the time when NGC had disallowed PCGS coins to be added to registry sets, I had a few PCGS coins that I wanted to add to my registry set. Not that many, only 12 coins, half of which were CAC beaned. So, I submitted those coins to NGC for crossover, not one single coin crossed, zilch. Now I did not expect every coin to cross, but not even one of the six CAC'd coins, really??
Lesson learned, I have not, nor will I ever play the crossover game again, the market grading scheme that both TPG's use is provides an unfair advantage to the "house". There have been a few threads here about who is going to cross all their coin into the new CACG holder, again I stand firm that after being burned on that occasion and on a few previous occasions, I am out of the crossover game.
Total TPG amnesia.
Me, I don't see that.