Back in July/August 2019 when I read the coins from Oliver Jung’s Type Set were being sold, I immediately contacted the person handling that sale and negotiated buying his 3 Cent Silver piece (PCGS MS67+ with a CAC, PCGS Pop 7, 0 finer) for my Dansco 7070 Registry Set. I’m thrilled to have that coin in my Type Set, as Oliver Jung put together the greatest Type Set ever assembled (at least up to that time).
Don’t assume all of the other six in this grade by PCGS each have a CAC sticker. I’ve located the cert numbers of four of those other six, and only one of those four others (along with mine) merit a CAC sticker!
(The horizontal line you see at the top of the obverse is on the holder, and not on the coin).
David Bowers plate coins from his early silver dollars book 1794 thru 1804. Unfortunately, I cannot afford the price of some of them and a different sort of pedigree, but I would love to own more of them!
an example of buying just right is a prior post on PCGS web site in 2005.
Bookmark Something a little different from the McCabe/Clapp/Eliasberg Collection- Who says there aren't some orevilleoreville Posts: 11,568 ✭✭✭✭✭ June 25, 2005 8:02AM in U.S. Coin Forum This may not be considered registry material but is even better in my view. I got this fantasy piece for $3,220. It sold in the Eliasberg sale for $4,400 9 years ago.
Here is the information from the ANR Numismatic Rarities The Drew St. John Sale.
The finest example of this fascinating 19th century concoction we have seen, pedigreed to 1905. Choice lustrous light brown with abundant mint red framing all legends and devices and encircling the greater portion of the peripheries. Well struck and attractive, natural planchet striations at base of reverse, tiny areas of corrosion noted just inside the rim at 6:00 on the obverse and above ES of STATES on the reverse. Interestingly, when the Chapman's catalogued this precise piece in 1905, they noted that it was struck about 1870, while most current speculation places it about a decade earlier, closer to the 1859 publication of Dr. Dickeson's magnum opus, the American Numismatical Manual. Of course, though Dickeson's career as an adventurer, student of Native American artifacts, showman and promoter are well-documented, there is no great paper trail surrounding this unusual numismatic production. Most assume today that the heavily rusted eagle motif was produced to emboss revenue-stamped fiscal paper sometime before 1817, but Dickeson thought it probable that it was produced as a 1792 pattern cent, thus his creation of this interesting piece. Fewer than two dozen examples are generally thought to exist (uspatterns.com suggests only a dozen known), though we can remember no finer specimen than the piece offered here.
From S.H. and Henry Chapman's sale of the J.F. McCabe Collection, June 1905, Lot 68; John M. Clapp to John H. Clapp; Clapp Estate to Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. in 1942; Bowers and Merena's sale of the Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. Collection, May 1996, Lot 111 (at $4,400).
Never always, that is like flying blind. I love Valentine, Garrett, Bareford, Lovejoy, Zabriskie, Bass and Eliasberg and if the coin matches what I perceive their pedigree represents is superb quality then I go for it. Its an honor to be the next caretaker and preserve their collection and knowing that they thought enough about it to acquire pleases me greatly. Why reinvent the wheel, they obviously searched high and low for the top piece that they could find, and typically their choices are top pop or nearly so. Also due to their old fashioned storage facilities where the coin toned beautifully and naturally along with these gents caring for their coins properly and the fact that they obtained their collection from older equally famous collectors such as Clapp, Bushnell and Levick as well as purchasing them directly from the U.S. Mint. These long chains of title is fascinating and allows me to touch history with my fingertips.
Thank you for not listing D.L. Hansen or Teich Family, LOL.
Welcome back! While many collectors don’t care for a Hansen pedigree, I welcome them in my collection. Unarguably, he has the highest grade broadest collection ever put together!
Thank you for not listing D.L. Hansen or Teich Family, LOL.
Welcome back! While many collectors don’t care for a Hansen pedigree, I welcome them in my collection. Unarguably, he has the highest grade broadest collection ever put together!
Hansen is also worth $4 billion and (I have heard) co-owner of David Lawrence.
CACfan 8:17AM Flag Winesteven said: » show previous quotes Welcome back! While many collectors don’t care for a Hansen pedigree, I welcome them in my collection. Unarguably, he has the highest grade broadest collection ever put together!
Hansen is also worth $4 billion and (I have heard) co-owner of David Lawrence.
So what? Weren't the top pedigree collectors wealthy too? The bottom line is even YOU would love to have his collection, lol.
Thank you for not listing D.L. Hansen or Teich Family, LOL.
Welcome back! While many collectors don’t care for a Hansen pedigree, I welcome them in my collection. Unarguably, he has the highest grade broadest collection ever put together!
Hansen is also worth $4 billion and (I have heard) co-owner of David Lawrence.
I have no dispute with Hansen as long as he likes to collect coins and being worth 4 billion or even more is not a necessity to collect nice and mostly affordable coins.
I do prefer collectors respecting and saving the prior pedgree shown with the coins.
Thank you for not listing D.L. Hansen or Teich Family, LOL.
Welcome back! While many collectors don’t care for a Hansen pedigree, I welcome them in my collection. Unarguably, he has the highest grade broadest collection ever put together!
Hansen is also worth $4 billion and (I have heard) co-owner of David Lawrence.
I have no dispute with Hansen as long as he likes to collect coins and being worth 4 billion or even more is not a necessity to collect nice and mostly affordable coins.
I do prefer collectors respecting and saving the prior pedgree shown with the coins which is why I do not seek out his coins.
As time goes on, I will probably change my tune once I see Hansen sticking it out long term.
Thank you for not listing D.L. Hansen or Teich Family, LOL.
Welcome back! While many collectors don’t care for a Hansen pedigree, I welcome them in my collection. Unarguably, he has the highest grade broadest collection ever put together!
Hansen is also worth $4 billion and (I have heard) co-owner of David Lawrence.
I have no dispute with Hansen as long as he likes to collect coins and being worth 4 billion or even more is not a necessity to collect nice and mostly affordable coins.
I do prefer collectors respecting and saving the prior pedgree shown with the coins which is why I do not seek out his coins.
Agreed! I am personally turned off to dealerships that aren't transparent and play mind/sales games. Reminds me of a car dealership and their car salesmen.
I won’t buy any pedigree sight unseen but the ones I appreciate the most are Mickley, Clapp, Earle, Brand, Garrett, Atwater, Pittman, Eliasberg, Norweb and Pogue.
Pedigree means nothing to me whatsoever. However if a pedigreed coin happens to be PQ in my opinion then I’ll buy it! Of the pedigreed coins I’ve seen, they range anywhere from great to mediocre. It’s all about the coin, not the pedigree.
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Don’t assume all of the other six in this grade by PCGS each have a CAC sticker. I’ve located the cert numbers of four of those other six, and only one of those four others (along with mine) merit a CAC sticker!
(The horizontal line you see at the top of the obverse is on the holder, and not on the coin).
Steve
Childs
Lovejoy
Morelan (Legend)
Pittman
Stack
Weinberg
also loved Jack Lee’s walkers.
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Something a little different from the McCabe/Clapp/Eliasberg Collection- Who says there aren't some
orevilleoreville Posts: 11,568 ✭✭✭✭✭ June 25, 2005 8:02AM in U.S. Coin Forum
This may not be considered registry material but is even better in my view. I got this fantasy piece for $3,220. It sold in the Eliasberg sale for $4,400 9 years ago.
Here is the information from the ANR Numismatic Rarities The Drew St. John Sale.
"1792" (i.e. 1860-1870) "trial cent" fantasy. Judd Appendix A, Pollock-6001, Breen-1378. MS-64 RB (NGC)."
The finest example of this fascinating 19th century concoction we have seen, pedigreed to 1905. Choice lustrous light brown with abundant mint red framing all legends and devices and encircling the greater portion of the peripheries. Well struck and attractive, natural planchet striations at base of reverse, tiny areas of corrosion noted just inside the rim at 6:00 on the obverse and above ES of STATES on the reverse. Interestingly, when the Chapman's catalogued this precise piece in 1905, they noted that it was struck about 1870, while most current speculation places it about a decade earlier, closer to the 1859 publication of Dr. Dickeson's magnum opus, the American Numismatical Manual. Of course, though Dickeson's career as an adventurer, student of Native American artifacts, showman and promoter are well-documented, there is no great paper trail surrounding this unusual numismatic production. Most assume today that the heavily rusted eagle motif was produced to emboss revenue-stamped fiscal paper sometime before 1817, but Dickeson thought it probable that it was produced as a 1792 pattern cent, thus his creation of this interesting piece. Fewer than two dozen examples are generally thought to exist (uspatterns.com suggests only a dozen known), though we can remember no finer specimen than the piece offered here.
From S.H. and Henry Chapman's sale of the J.F. McCabe Collection, June 1905, Lot 68; John M. Clapp to John H. Clapp; Clapp Estate to Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. in 1942; Bowers and Merena's sale of the Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. Collection, May 1996, Lot 111 (at $4,400).
Also due to their old fashioned storage facilities where the coin toned beautifully and naturally along with these gents caring for their coins properly and the fact that they obtained their collection from older equally famous collectors such as Clapp, Bushnell and Levick as well as purchasing them directly from the U.S. Mint. These long chains of title is fascinating and allows me to touch history with my fingertips.
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Winesteven said:
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Welcome back! While many collectors don’t care for a Hansen pedigree, I welcome them in my collection. Unarguably, he has the highest grade broadest collection ever put together!
Hansen is also worth $4 billion and (I have heard) co-owner of David Lawrence.
So what? Weren't the top pedigree collectors wealthy too? The bottom line is even YOU would love to have his collection, lol.
I do prefer collectors respecting and saving the prior pedgree shown with the coins.
Amen!